An Interview With Miguel Serrano. 1995.

O Star of the Evening

Yephun, Baphomet, Quetzalcoatl, Luzibel!

Man’s deep light

Let fall upon us

Like petals of light

Of skies of Autumn!

Accompany us!

Miguel Serrano, writer, traveller, diplomat, was born in Santiago, Chile in 1917. His travels ranged from Antarctica (1947-48) to the Himalayas where he met the Dalai Llama. As an author he has written a score of books translated into several languages, including Neither by Sea Nor by Land , Serpent of Paradise, The Hermetic Circle, Adolf Hitler – The Ultimate Avatar. Serrano has served as Chilean Ambassador to India (1953-62), Yugoslavia (1962-64) and Austria (1964-70) and has served on various international commissions. He is a practitioner of Tantra and a self-described “Esoteric Hitlerist”.

You define yourself as an “Esoteric Hitlerist”. Please define the term?

Hitler said that “whoever thinks that National Socialism is only a political movement, doesn’t understand anything.” National Socialism was always Hitlerism, and Hitlerism always had an esoteric background. At the end of the 1930’s and during the war years, it was not possible or convenient that this theme be widely known. However, after the war and its apparent loss, there was no other way for Hitlerism than the esoteric development. For me Esoteric Hitlerism is being possessed by the archetypes of the collective unconscious which the Greeks used to call Gods – among them Apollo, which is really Wotan for the Germans and Vishnu or Shiva for the Hindus – and its development in the individual and collective souls of the actual Hitlerist warriors. That means a new/old religion, with all its rituals and myths which are necessary to discover or rediscover. Its central drama is the apparition on this earth of the Person of Adolf Hitler, the last Avatara who came to produce this enormous storm or catastrophe in order to wake all those asleep and to open the New Age which will come after the Deluge. That is the reason why we have started to count the beginning of the New Age after the birth of Hitler. We are in the year 105.

How did you arrive at Hitlerism, both esoterically and exoterically?

I arrived to the exoteric Hitlerism from the political Left, and very much impressed by the Heroic death of 62 young Chilean Nazi followers of my generation in 1938. During the war I published a magazine in favour of the Axis, called La Nueva Edad (‘The New Era’) and then suddenly I met some SS and a little later my Chilean Master, who revealed to me the secret roots of Hitlerism and “who” Adolf Hitler really was: a magician who had the power to come voluntarily out of his body and communicate with other unbodily beings.

Does your esotericism imply any form of ritual or worship?

Yes, it does. I think that we in Chile are the only performed public ceremonies similar to those performed at the Congress of Nuremberg, like Autos Sacramentales. But now no more in public. The rituals can be in the Equinoxes and the Solstices. Also we use individual concentrations, sometimes in very small groups, thinking on our Führer or projecting the mind in order to fight or destroy contrary enemy forces.

Do you believe events can be changed magically; I.e. ritual magic and meditation?

Yes, is possible, but it is a tricky and dangerous affair. Today the Enemy works mentally using the Kabala and electronic machines (“Takion”), projecting sub-atomic particles in order to control the minds. Yes, today the central war is psychotronic, technotronic and cybertronic. The principal war is now a mental war, called “Kama Manasic”. This means the enemy is intervening in the mental atmosphere of the Aryan, manipulating their thoughts and separating the mental from the physical bodies, altering karma and its spiritual development. In a way the entire world is hypnotized by these means, combined with the subliminal messages found in today’s media, as well as drugs and drinks like coca-cola, pepsi, etc. Yes, mental war can be fought only with a similar type of war. Of course this needs a special discipline and training, like the Esoteric SS, or the ancient religious military orders of the past.

To what extent does your esotericism relate to Jungian archetypes and the use of symbols such as runes?

Yes, the runes are very important magic symbols, but the code of their interpretation has been lost and its power almost destroyed by the malicious vulgarization and popularization made by Jews. It is necessary to rescue them. As I did in my book Adolf Hitler: The Last Avatar. We must use them in our mental combat. However it is not good to talk about these matters openly.

In what circumstances did you know Jung? We know that Jung recognized National Socialism as a resurgence of Wotan “Shadow” of the German folk. Did Jung view the release of this archetype as a positive or negative phenomenon?

In my book published in England and the US, C.G Jung and Herman Hesse, A Record of Two Friendships I explain the circumstances which brought me to meet Carl Jung. He wrote a foreword for my book The Visits of the Queen of Sheeba. I think that this Swiss Professor knew better than anyone else in our time who Hitler really was. In the book of Professor McQuyre Jung Speaks, published by Princeton University Press, three interviews of Jung on Hitler are reproduced. One is in the Observer of London, another in an American newspaper and the third on Radio Berlin at the end of 1938. In these interviews Jung stated that Hitler was possessed by the collective unconscious of the Aryan Race. This means that Hitler was the spokesman of the whole Aryan world. In order not to repeat the same, I can tell you that I studied and explained this extraordinary situation in my book Adolf Hitler: The Last Avatar published in Chile.

Some friends of Jung such as Lauren Van der Post state that Jung came into conflict with the National Socialist regime. What were Jung’s true views in his later life?

professor Jung was an enormous thinker, but he was Swiss and therefore a contradictory personality. Very different in character to Heidegger, as a matter of fact. Immediately after the war he started to change and made some very shameful comments about Hitler and the German people. These statements I did not know until very recently, and have made me lose part of my admiration for the Jung personality. Also, Jung didn’t understand anything about Wotanism and the runes. i think this was caused by his Christian background. his father was a Lutheran priest, as was the father of Herman Hesse, Holderling, and if I am not mistaken the father of Nietzsche. This fact creates such a confusion and drama that it drove to madness the last two. The furthest Jung could go was Meister Ekhart and gnosticism. On the other hand he was a Freemason as many Lutherans are.

Nevertheless, Jung was a cunning and opportunistic man, as I can visualize today. When Hitler was in full power and National Socialism on top, Jung coined the concept of the “two unconscious” which was a lethal weapon against the Jews and the Freudians. After the war this concept disappeared from his writings in such a way that today it is impossible to find it in his complete works. I have a book published in Argentina in 1939 under the name of El Yo y el Inconscieate (I And The Unconscious) where it explained this. Moreover, Jung took a Jewish woman as a secretary.

In this case, the statement of Van der Post that Jung came into conflict with National Socialist regime is totally untrue. He never had direct contact with the regime. He was only the president of the Psychiatric Society of Berlin, replacing Dr Goering (brother of Hermann Goering). Jung only tried to please the National Socialists at the time, and after its defeat to please the Jews. This was never done by Heidegger or Ezra Pound. It is because of this fact that I have said that even though I admire the thinking of Jung, I have come not to admire his character.

What were the circumstances in which you came to know Ezra Pound? Pound is said to have repudiated his pro-Fascist views towards the end of his life and to regretted his former Fascist association. Is this true?

I met Ezra Pound for the first time in Venice. He was already mute at that time, but he broke his silence with me. I have told this in my book published in Spanish and german under the title Die Goldenen Band (The Golden Cord), and again in Adolf Hitler: el Ultimo Avatara. It is absolutely untrue that Pound has regretted his pro-Fascist views towards the end of his life. He didn’t speak or write at all, therefore it is impossible for him to have done this. I think he was in voluntary silence in order that no one can force him to make an unwilling declaration. He once wrote: “Keep yourself to your old dreams so that our world will not lose hope.”

Unfortunately, Pound was surrounded by people who loved him (like Olga Rudge), but did not understand him. The mecenas Ivancic, a friend of Hemingway, was also amongst those who did not understand him, and they invited to Pound’s funeral a Rabbi of Venice, who of course refused to go. Maybe they were trying to convince the Jews to give him a posthumous Nobel Prize. What a pity! Anyhow, Pound, Knut Hamsun, Arno Breker and myself are happy and honored to be the outcasts and damned in this present Jewish world.

(Interview transcript from the Flaming Sword no.5, February 1995, Realist Publications, New Zealand.)

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